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[ have put it later, that they may have algebra and chemistry. 
I believe time can be found in the school for more work. 1 do not know whether it 
s to be at the expense of Latin or Greek. I am not prepared to say that I have very 
positive convictions, but I do say that, by the present standard of the Chicago Univer- 
sity, we cannot spare one single lesson out of the year and do it as thoroughly as they 
axpect it to be done. ‘We must do it by educating the public to the idea that the pupil’s 
ime should be more thoroughly given to his work, and finding some place for four 
‘istead of three recitations. And if anything is to be let go, it is that which will not be 
required for an admission to college. 
In my own preparation for college I had one term in physics. That is more than 
many of my class bad. I had one term of instruction in physics, with the advantage of 
attending a good course of lectures in college. I found it valuable to me. We cannot 
1 many of our colleges spare the time for Latin and Greek. 
There is more demand for Greek in this region than there was three or four years 
ygo. The Chicago schools threw out Greek, but they put it back again. In my own 
school many more now take Greek than a few months ago. The requirements of the 
wolleges are rising constantly. I don’t object to that if they balance it up, and if they 
Jon’t insist very strongly on more English, and then only allow credit for one year. I 
think the remedy is that the work must be done by carrying more subjects and dis- 
tributing them over a longer length of time, so that the mind shall become more active 
sn the subject. 
TEE CHAIRMAN: If Dr. Bancroft, of Andover, were here, I think he would follow his 
saper, in view of the discussion, with a single remark. He states distinctly that in his 
»xperience it has been found that better methods have enabled the teacher to cover the 
equired ground in less time. I recall a quarter of a century ago, when 1 was at 
Phillips Academy, they had no sciences and no drawing. That same academy is fit- 
sing boys in the maximum requirements for the Harvard University on the new scheme, 
and they do more work, and still find time for physics and chemistry and drawing. 
[t is very important that emphasis should be placed on the matter that Dr. Bancroft has 
so profitably presented, and a phase of the matter which has not been referred to by any 
person who has spoken. Let us emphasize the truths of the princely men who have been 
seaching the classes and have laid tribute on the best things in teaching ; who do their 
work better and in less time than those (thanks to the teachers of the sciences) who have 
out us on our mettle. Let us not, because these people are pressing for certain things, 
feel that we are necessarily compelled to surrender everything. 
Dr. Harris has an idea which, if you will pardon me, I will throw out in connection 
with this discussion. Speaking of the bifurcation that may be made in the courses of 
study, Dr. Harris insists that it should take place at the latest possible hour, because 
avery mortal human soul may be regarded as possessing many windows, and it is the 
susiness of the school to open as many of these windows as possible ; and when you 
shut a boy off at nine or ten you have probably shut eternally a great many windows out 
af which that soul would like to look. 
W. H. SxvDER. of the Worcester Academy, Worcester, Mass. : In our school two 
rears ago we decided that physics should be taught in the classical part of the school. 
We decided that it was a study that ought to be taught regularly, and it was ingrafted 
1pon the junior year, already somewhat crowded, as an extra study. It was placed in 
hree afternoons of the week. During this time there was to be done the maximum 
amount of work required for Harvard College, which consisted of forty experiments and 
a great deal of text-book work. It consisted of a great deal of mathematical work to 
pass examination. This was placed on the junior year, nothing being taken off. At 
first the boys considered that they were overworked.” They worked very hard, and had 
to. At the end of the year they concluded that they were not overworked, and they 
were glad that they had taken physics, because that opened for them entrance into any 
college in the United States. The next year we did the same thing, putting extra re- 
quirements of English on the boys. To make up for this, during the last part of one 
cerm we dropped out one recitation in Latin, and one recitation in Greek for the first 
part of another term. At the end of the school year the boys in the course, who at first 
vehemently protested against the scheme, came to me and thanked me. saying they had 
»njoyed it and were not overworked. 
Now, as to the use of scientific studies in our secondary schools. Our language studies 
aave been very much increased in the last ten years. To-day our best schools will take 
10 as much Latin and Greek as the colleges took up ten years ago. We take Cesar and